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Cure for Diabetes !? When ?

2003-07-24 05:53:56 AM
Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
!? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
cure ?!
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Been waiting 60+ years, no cure yet. A huge amount of changes , life is
easier to live . A cure may happen, I hope so, but I doubt I'll be around.
don
"Oliver Zenker" <oliverzenker@yahoo.de>wrote in message
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Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
!? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
cure ?!
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where is ted rosenberg
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On 23 Jul 2003 14:53:56 -0700, oliverzenker@yahoo.de (Oliver Zenker)
wrote:
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Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
!? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
cure ?!
I doubt there will be any cure in my lifetime. Just too much money to
be made just stringing us along for a lifetime. Talk about slavery or
endentured servant-hood.
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www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html
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Oliver Zenker wrote:
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Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
!? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
cure ?!
Diabetes is caused by many different things. Even if the perfect
treatment of Type 1 diabetes, the most severe, is found, it will leave a
lot of other sufferers.
There's no reason to assume the pharma-firms have such firm control.
Given the incentive for other people doing real work to "publish or
perish", it'll get published.
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:31:35 -0400 (EDT), treeman74@webtv.net (Edward
Krawetz) wrote:
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where is ted rosenberg
That is the question of the hour. When last heard from, he said he was
very busy, and would be back posting soon. That was a while back. I
hope he is OK.
Sleepy
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Re:Cure for Diabetes !? When ?

Well i for one will keep my fingers crossed.
and say i think the government does have some motivation
to find a cure. I wonder how much it cost to take care of
all those diabetics on public assistance. or the
impact on health insurance costs.
it is nice to think it is possible and just might happen.
--
www.diabetes.org
Sushi-Boy
Type - 2 ---
Dx'd January 27, 2003
A1C = 5.1 July 15
also try
alt.support.diabetes.uk
misc.health.diabetes
"Oliver Zenker" <oliverzenker@yahoo.de>wrote in message news:81cd6123.0307231353.1d3c826c@posting.google.com...
: Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
: technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
: research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
: a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
: !? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
: Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
: lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
: cure ?!
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:31:21 GMT, Nico Kadel-Garcia
<nkadel@verizon.net>wrote:
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sqArk wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:53:56 +1000, Oliver Zenker wrote:
>
>
>>Or will
>>there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make lotsa money
>>with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a cure ?!
>
>
>You bet they aren't interested in a cure. They make TRILLIONS off us. And
>you can be they have people out keeping an eye on all the researchers.
>
>It is much better for them to develop "products" that make diabetes more
>"livable".
>
>Can you think of ANY major diseases that have been cured?....funny that.

Malaria. Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Scurvy. Beriberi. Kwashiorkor. Femur
fractures. Rubella. Fractured limbs. Ruptured spleen. Skin cancer.
Prostate cancer.

All are preventable/treatable/often curable with modern medicine.

Next earthy crunchy person who hasn't bothered to realize how far we've
come in medical treatment, feel free to step up....
Nico, the real problem is the PR and media and some docs
misrepresenting the abilities of the profession. The patient goes in
expecting miracles and may be very disillusioned.
I have had two good docs--one said--"I am not God"-- the other said
"I can do nothing about that problem"..
The arrogance of many I have dealt with is amazing. In my opinion,
a real educated person knows the limits of our pea brain. The
chairman of an University department used to lecture students with the
following ideas.
As you get educated, you will know less. You are climbing the mountain
of knowledge and can see further. Will be able to see what we don't
know.
Another of his themes was you will know less when you graduate than
you know now.
The total knowledge is accumulating faster than you can learn.
If you want absolute knowledge talk to some PR person, a salesman,
a TV commentator, or some of our trolls, or some spammer with all of
the "wordlogy" with the absolute cure from high on some mountain.
Most research is not a TV script, but a lot of sweat, frustration,
lack of proper funding, We need to spend the money to educate those
that will become real scientists,
We will get there but I doubt if much will come from the stock brokers
looking at the bottom line next month. Or the bull manager saying you
will have to invent this by next friday.
WE are away ahead of twenty years ago. The finding of a "penicillin"
for diabetes is very unlikely.
Guy
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>Can you think of ANY major diseases that have been cured?....funny
>that.

Malaria. Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Scurvy. Beriberi. Kwashiorkor. Femur
fractures. Rubella. Fractured limbs. Ruptured spleen. Skin cancer.
Prostate cancer.

All are preventable/treatable/often curable with modern medicine.

yes well diabetes is treatable, and prevention isn't really a cure. But
good call none the less.
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sqArk wrote:
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>>Can you think of ANY major diseases that have been cured?....funny
>>that.
>
>Malaria. Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Scurvy. Beriberi. Kwashiorkor. Femur
>fractures. Rubella. Fractured limbs. Ruptured spleen. Skin cancer.
>Prostate cancer.
>
>All are preventable/treatable/often curable with modern medicine.
>


yes well diabetes is treatable, and prevention isn't really a cure. But
good call none the less.
Yeah, and I forgot most motion sickness, most epilepsy, harelip, and
amputation.
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sqArk wrote:
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:53:56 +1000, Oliver Zenker wrote:


>Or will
>there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make lotsa money
>with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a cure ?!


You bet they aren't interested in a cure. They make TRILLIONS off us. And
you can be they have people out keeping an eye on all the researchers.

It is much better for them to develop "products" that make diabetes more
"livable".

Can you think of ANY major diseases that have been cured?....funny that.

might be worth your time joining the anti-capitalist movement....

don't lose hope though, strange things can happen!

peace.
That's why the iron lung manufacturers assassinated Jonas Salk.
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Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@verizon.net>wrote:
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sqArk wrote:
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>Can you think of ANY major diseases that have been cured?....funny
>that.

Malaria. Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Scurvy. Beriberi. Kwashiorkor.
Femur fractures. Rubella. Fractured limbs. Ruptured spleen. Skin
cancer. Prostate cancer.

All are preventable/treatable/often curable with modern medicine.

Next earthy crunchy person who hasn't bothered to realize how far
we've come in medical treatment, feel free to step up....
You beat me to it Nico! Although one could easily add about 200 additional
"cures" to the list.
Regards,
James the Elder
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sqArk <zonk@birds.fly>wrote:
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yes well diabetes is treatable, and prevention isn't really a cure.
But good call none the less.
Prevention is the _ultimate_ cure for a disease! If you can be made
completely immune to a disease, that's a cure for the disease.
Regards,
James
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Guy <gswil@intertex.net>wrote:
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Quarantines sem to be of benefit as noted recently.
Not magic but it has saved millions of lives.
Except when the demented demand their rights.
And the even more demented who accede to those demands!
Ever read the whole story of "Typhoid Mary" Mallon? (Yes, she was a _real_
person!)
history1900s.about.com/library/weekly/aa062900a.htm
You have to keep reminding yourself as you read that all of this occurred
almost 100 years ago!
Regards,
James the Elder
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"Oliver Zenker" <oliverzenker@yahoo.de>wrote in message
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Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
!? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
cure ?!
Standard answer for the last who knows how many years is:- "We'll have a
cure in 5 years". Trouble is, no-one knows WHICH 5 years :-)
I don't REALLY think that big pharma STOPS the cure being found, I thik it's
a massive problem because finding a cure usually comes after finding the
cause, and no-one's managed to do that yet.
Beav (relatively happy that there's at least TREATMENT)
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"Edward Krawetz" <treeman74@webtv.net>wrote in message
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where is ted rosenberg
What's that go to do with THIS thread?
Beav
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Beav, A very precise answer.
Guy
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:07:39 GMT, "Beav"
<beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com>wrote:
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"Oliver Zenker" <oliverzenker@yahoo.de>wrote in message
news:81cd6123.0307231353.1d3c826c@posting.google.com...
>Call me naive for asking this question, but I'm hoping like hell
>technology will improve in the future. There are SO many diabetics and
>research and money coming in from organizations, surely they'll hit on
>a cure sooner or later. But how long will it take !? 10 & 20, 30 years
>!? Can one have realistic expectations about a possible cure !?
>Or will there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make
>lotsa money with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a
>cure ?!

Standard answer for the last who knows how many years is:- "We'll have a
cure in 5 years". Trouble is, no-one knows WHICH 5 years :-)

I don't REALLY think that big pharma STOPS the cure being found, I thik it's
a massive problem because finding a cure usually comes after finding the
cause, and no-one's managed to do that yet.

Beav (relatively happy that there's at least TREATMENT)

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:00:28 -0500, Guy <gswil@intertex.net>wrote:
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>Quarantines sem to be of benefit as noted recently.
Not magic but it has saved millions of lives.
Except when the demented demand their rights.
Guy
>
The 'demented" have as many rights as you do. I hope this was not
posted in reference to a certain "demented" fundie, who used his right
to speak his mind, to say that people with AIDS should be quarantined.
SM
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sqArk wrote:
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>Prevention is the _ultimate_ cure for a disease! If you can be made
>completely immune to a disease, that's a cure for the disease.


well it doesnt help those who already have it, and those too poor to get
the prevention. Millions of people die every year from preventable
diseases.
Thank God they do! Imagine the population explosion and attendant
problems if they didn't.
Ya just can't fool Mother Nature.
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In article <ZD0Ua.12702$634.12350@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>,
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@verizon.net>wrote:
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sqArk wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:53:56 +1000, Oliver Zenker wrote:
>>Or will
>>there never be a cure, because greedy PharmaFirms still make lotsa money
>>with Diabetes, so they arent even intrested in finding a cure ?!
>You bet they aren't interested in a cure. They make TRILLIONS off us. And
>you can be they have people out keeping an eye on all the researchers.
>It is much better for them to develop "products" that make diabetes more
>"livable".
>Can you think of ANY major diseases that have been cured?....funny that.
Malaria. Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Scurvy. Beriberi. Kwashiorkor. Femur
fractures. Rubella. Fractured limbs. Ruptured spleen. Skin cancer.
Prostate cancer.
Other than the ones cured by treating dietary deficiencies,
the others either involve removal or destruction of diseased
tissue, rebuilding of tissues where there is an adequate base
still working, or infectious disease. Neither type of diabetes
falls in these categories.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Deptartment of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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Herman Rubin wrote:
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For Type 1 diabetes, a cure would have to be a replacement
pancreas, or causing other cells to change to act like the
beta cells in the pancreas. They would also have to resist
the auto-immune reaction which destroyed the beta cells in
the first place. Pancreas transplants are the only cure
we have now, and transplants have immune reaction problems.
Beta cell implants would not quite be a cure, as they are
unlikely to be "permanent".
Interestingly enough, maybe not. There has been some fascinating work at
the University of West Virginia controlling the immune system in animals
to turn off the factor that causes it to attack beta cells. After
disabling that factor, the animals own adult stem cells formed new beta
cells and cured the animals' diabetes.
Exciting stuff!
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