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dubious, ATKIN'S DIET ALERT http://www.atkinsdietalert.org

2003-07-11 08:29:58 AM
Nor am I an advocate of the Atkins diet or similar. Nonetheless, the page
still has a political agenda of anti animal consumption and promotes a
vegie diet. Whatever problems the very low carb diets have, it is not
solved by going to the other extreem of ultra high carb diets, which the
site promotes. In the meal plans provided the carb content is in fact
ultra high, a real problem for a diabetic. The site promotes anti animal
consumption, the Atkin type diet is but a vehicle to pound that drum. On
a vegie diet, any problems with very high fat and protein consuption from
non-animal sources would pose the same problems it suggests. Logically,
to solve the problems offered, one would not switch to a vegie diet but
adjust the ratios of macro nutrients. None of the studies presented say
to switch to a vegie alone diet. The whole site is a kind of bait and
switch disingenuous agenda driven propaganda one person effort, offering a
book to solve all the problems of eating animals.
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Nonetheless, the information given in the consumer advisory is actually
accurate and if anything, conservative:

www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html

A word to the wise:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi&list_ui
ds=10388984&dopt=Abstract

Comments:

Oxidized lipids are believed by many to be the most atherogenic
component of serum cholesterol.

There is no reason to believe hyperketonemia (ketosis) in type 1
diabetics is vastly different from artificial states of hyperketonemia
(ie from ketogenic diets).

Fwiw, I am not vegetarian and I am not selling a book.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
www.heartmdphd.com/
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Re:dubious, ATKIN'S DIET ALERT http://www.atkinsdietalert.org

markd@frog-link.com wrote in message news:<3f0e0506$0$41425$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>...
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Nor am I an advocate of the Atkins diet or similar. Nonetheless, the page
still has a political agenda of anti animal consumption and promotes a
vegie diet.
It does.
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Whatever problems the very low carb diets have, it is not
solved by going to the other extreem of ultra high carb diets, which the
site promotes.
Agree.
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In the meal plans provided the carb content is in fact
ultra high, a real problem for a diabetic.
Agree.
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The site promotes anti animal
consumption, the Atkin type diet is but a vehicle to pound that drum.
Perhaps.
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On
a vegie diet, any problems with very high fat and protein consuption from
non-animal sources would pose the same problems it suggests.
Correct.
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Logically,
to solve the problems offered, one would not switch to a vegie diet but
adjust the ratios of macro nutrients.
Logically, intake should be decreased across the board rather than
selectively carobohydrate versus protein/fat.
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None of the studies presented say
to switch to a vegie alone diet. The whole site is a kind of bait and
switch disingenuous agenda driven propaganda one person effort, offering a
book to solve all the problems of eating animals.
The problem the site identifies is real even if the offered solution
is not ideal (especially for a diabetic person).
Another site pointing out the same problem w/o the pro-veggie agenda
is:
www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml
Regards,
Andrew
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
www.heartmdphd.com
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Re:dubious, ATKIN'S DIET ALERT http://www.atkinsdietalert.org

On 10 Jul 2003 22:44:02 -0700, andrew@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B.
Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
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Logically, intake should be decreased across the board rather than
selectively carobohydrate versus protein/fat.
Logically but in practice perhaps not.
If you take on a 2 pound food limitation AND a reduction/elimination
of sat/trans fats, and your diet is heavy with those fats, then you
may end up with a skewed distribution of macronutrients.
This isn't addressing the carb reduction issue but it does point out
that diet alterations, for health purposes, may create distribution
imbalances at least until one figures out how to get necessary fats
into the diet.
Then again, I think the whole idea of incessantly attempting balancing
macronutrients to be a waste of thyme.
lol
I made a funny.
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Re:dubious, ATKIN'S DIET ALERT http://www.atkinsdietalert.org

In article <3F0DF822.FAD60EE7@heartmdphd.com>,
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <andrew@heartmdphd.com>wrote:
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markd@frog-link.com wrote:
>This message misleads and is disingenuous, to be kind, because it is
>really a pitch for becoming a vegetarian. The supposed group who sponser
>the page appears to be one person who is anti meat products, even to
>giving a dubious "leagal alert" telling docters they might be liable if
>they advise using meat products and the patient then gets health problems
>and sues. This one person "group" also is selling a book, big surprise.
>But then, one must consider the source of the original posting... This
>page has every thing to do with a political agenda.
Nonetheless, the information given in the consumer advisory is actually
accurate and if anything, conservative:
www.atkinsdietalert.org/consumer.html
A word to the wise:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
Comments:
Oxidized lipids are believed by many to be the most atherogenic
component of serum cholesterol.
There is no reason to believe hyperketonemia (ketosis) in type 1
diabetics is vastly different from artificial states of hyperketonemia
(ie from ketogenic diets).
Fwiw, I am not vegetarian and I am not selling a book.
I am not a medical doctor, but I am supposedly someone who
understands statistics (most medical researchers, alas, do
not) and have read some of the preliminary results, including
many which misused the data to claim that there are, at this
stage, clear signs of bad results from the Atkins diet.
One of the surprising things in the preliminary results is that
the entire lipid profile seems to improve. It has been known
for about 60 years that unsaturated, especially polyunsaturated,
fatty acids can oxidize, and this is even toxic; Vitamin E is
the preventative for this, and this was established by the usual
type of medical trials during WWII.
The only "bad" thing found was a 5% reduction in calcium absorption.
Most on low-carb diets take supplements, and one small piece of
cheese does not constitute a serious drawback.
I believe NOBODY has yet produced a study on humans indicating
the benefits of a low-fat, high-carb diet.
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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Deptartment of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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Re:dubious, ATKIN'S DIET ALERT http://www.atkinsdietalert.org

On 10 Jul 2003 17:56:44 GMT, markd@frog-link.com wrote:
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This message misleads and is disingenuous, to be kind, because it is
really a pitch for becoming a vegetarian. The supposed group who sponser
the page appears to be one person who is anti meat products, even to
giving a dubious "leagal alert" telling docters they might be liable if
they advise using meat products and the patient then gets health problems
and sues. This one person "group" also is selling a book, big surprise.
But then, one must consider the source of the original posting... This
page has every thing to do with a political agenda.
we already know anything supported by the jai troll or his counter
part in trolldom chung is not to be trusted.
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